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<TheKnight> Okay, Corin is unable to attend tonight, and has just asked me to pass on his sincere apologies
<MykReeve> So, the subject for discussion this week is the crown system.
<MykReeve> And the first topic for debate is how well we think the current system is operating.,
<MykReeve> If you want to comment on that - say "aye"
<JillMurphy> nay ;-)
<MykReeve> once the debate begins, please message me if you want to contribute something.
<MykReeve> OK. The first speaker is ScotGirl - the floor is yours.
<ScotGirl> I think it is very hit and miss - I'm not convinced that all ops are read by cat managers. Some really good ones slip through.
<ScotGirl> if it is to work then ALL opinions must be considered
<ScotGirl> thats all :)
<MykReeve> Thanks Liz. Oh, just one further point - when you've finished you've finished making your point, please let me know everyone!
<MykReeve> Next speaker is lavitally.
<lavitally> well, I think it should be clarified
<lavitally> as to how crowns are awarded
<lavitally> I was (ta Jo) under the distinct impression
<lavitally> that we *could* nominate reviews for crowns
<lavitally> and that comments were taken into account
<lavitally> If this is the case Dooyoo should make it clear on their site If not
<lavitally> we should find out exactly how they are awarded and ditto what Liz said
<lavitally> and that's all. :o)
<MykReeve> Thanks lavitally, next speaker; kensplace. The floor is yours.
<kensplace> I agree with liz, not all ops seem to be read, lots slip through.
<kensplace> Also I have seen crowns that containg factuall errors (basic facts should be checked)
<kensplace> Mainly I think it is unbalanced and not that fair until all good ops get a crown.
<kensplace> thats all for now folks
<MykReeve> Next speaker, LordPercy.
<Lordpercy> Why thank you....young man....
<Lordpercy> The crown system is one of the areas I feel is working relatively well and I wouldn't like to see DooYoo tinker too much
<Lordpercy> It provides motivation to write good opinions
<Lordpercy> Obviously the guidelines are a bit vague but that is my only criticism.
<Lordpercy> thats it short and sweet just like me lol
<MykReeve> And now the Necmeister...! I think we all know how he feels about crowns... but let's let him have his say...
<Necropolis> Mr speaker, ladies and gentlemen...
<Necropolis> I think crowns undermine the ratings system
<Necropolis> Should a crowned op be the top in category?
<Necropolis> If not then clearly they are not the ideal op and not something that should be promoted as an aspiration
<Necropolis> If they are then clearly the system does not work
<Necropolis> The criteria for a crowned op puts entertainment value ahead of usefulness
<Necropolis> That contradicts what dooyoo stands for in terms of consumer advice
<Necropolis> Also that one person picks an op to be given a crown is not fair
<Necropolis> The ratings an op receives is from the community at large
<Necropolis> No one person can sway the opinion of an op
<Necropolis> Crowns allow this to happen. That one person's preference is put forwards
<Necropolis> People will feel that it should be VU because it has a crown (those here excepted)
<Necropolis> If that is the case then the ratings are being manipulated by DooYoo themselves
<Necropolis> The ends
<MykReeve> Hm... a paradox to ponder upon. The floor passes to jo1l.
<Necropolis> (whispers Jo left)
<MykReeve> In that case, it's TK's turn.
<TheKnight> I like crowns - as a general thing. I still remember the thrill of getting my first one and I haven't had so many that its jaded. I think it does inspire people to better efforts, but I do think there is room for improvement.
<TheKnight> I don't think it undermines ratings, which is why ratings takle precedence
<TheKnight> think of it rather as an 'Editor's Pick'
<TheKnight> I do think there are problems in that standards have risen so much that earlier ops that were crowned are no longer so good
<Blackjane> I think that it would never be possible to award a crown to all the very excellent opinions on Dooyoo.
<Blackjane> However, those that are awarded, in perhaps 40-50% of cases, appear to be well deserved. There are many more awards, however, that beggar belief.
<Blackjane> We should accept that the situation is not perfect, nor can it be. It is merely another tool that dooyoo has at its disposal to keep the interest of us readers.
<Blackjane> The fact that that some people can see through this is proabbly not important in the scheme of things.
<Blackjane> That's All Folks (I think!)
<Blackjane> (Other than the fact that TK seemed to sum it up quite well)
<Blackjane> oopS! sorry
<TheKnight> no problem
<TheKnight> In short I like crowns but think more can be done and improved. Thats all
<MykReeve> Cool. Thanks TK. Next speaker is thanatos.
<thanatos> Ok...Nec kind of said this already said some of this, but here's my thoughts...
<thanatos> I have seen some crowns that are nice to read, entertaining,
<thanatos> but no use. They often are factually incorrect like ken said.
<thanatos> I think it would be better if crowns were RELATED to ratings.
<thanatos> If a op is rated high, or recommended for a crown, it gets one.
<thanatos> Having one person say that an op is good at random isn't a great system IMO.
<thanatos> But the idea of rewarding good opinions is nice.
<thanatos> that's all.
<MykReeve> We've had Blackjane's comment ( queue jumper :) ), so now it's ermintrude's turn.
<ermintrude75> well I kind of wanted to respond to a couple of things
<ermintrude75> is that ok?
<MykReeve> Go ahead.
<ermintrude75> first, to kensplace (I think) - about factual errors
<ermintrude75> category managers are great, but they can't know everything about their categories
<ermintrude75> so it would be impossible for them to check every op I think
<ermintrude75> and then to Nec's point about crowned ops being top in category
<ermintrude75> I see your point - I also think that maybe shows up inadequacies in the ratings system as well
<ermintrude75> and finally to thanatos
<ermintrude75> about crowns being somehow awarded automatically
<ermintrude75> wouldn't that be a huge incentive to ratings cartels?
<ermintrude75> just some points to ponder - not picking fault, just furthering discussion :)
<ermintrude75> that's all
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