*** Joins: corin Sorry I'm a bit late! Slow down now everyone Welcome Corin, and thanks for coming A pleaseure TK *** Joins: nick Nice typo eh? Sorry. Just fainted. Now, I thought it woul be best to give you a chance to say hi and introduce yourself first Hi Nick OK *** Joins: londonjossie hello Welcome from us all JOS what's all this 'mode' changing TK go with it zebra Well, i'll start by thanking you all for coming and for all you continuing support . . we really appreciate what you are all helping us with at the moment there is nowhere to sit this room is too small lol I'll get some more chairs... We all are happy to help to make dooyoo better and stronger if there is a funny smell it wasn't me it was jill : ) appreciated we all have sort of 'invested' in it, however humbly :) So how are we going to get this going, what sort of protocols? we all follow TK's lead baa baa They all think I know which buttons to press Corin. Unfortunately I don't! Lol Cookie he he Okay we'll try to keep general chat down to a minimum, but we have left the room open no elf people can post directly, but go easy chaps :) *** Joins: millwall23 ok perhaps the team could tell us some plans for the future of dooyoo? Hi millwall23 Can I ask a question ? I'd like to know when I will get my scooter thingy lol zebra Hi ya go easy on me ok!!!!! How are you all? hello tasha Okay, cookies question first That's cool . . . the future is never a completely set in stone thing at Dooyoo I think there were some new features in the works ...? like the prize draw:) we have so much learning and adjusting to do, running this site is constantly full of challenges The near future though is looking quite exciting . . . yeh definitely and a lot of our future is going to be shaped from the feedback we receive from you cool We are in the middle of a redesign at the moment to try and nearly all the dooyoo staff visit either this forum or the yahoo one every day Speaking of which can you elaborate on the answers you gave to Peakly's post earlier? address what we have learned and to make dooyoo even better I missed that one jill can you sumarise Hang on...... I am getting eye spins (Peakly's post is in Concerns and Suggestions thread by the way) peakly had some good ideas elf When is the "Christmas" cookie-based dooyoo going to start up? (and could you pre-warn us if the site's going to go down when it happens...) not to deluge you with questions or anything... :) The redesign should be with us in January and it makes a very important differentiation to what dooyoo does now The key changes are that we are splitting the function of dooyoo between the opinions and the community *** Joins: sunbeam *** Joins: pabs We're all eager to see it in order to preserve our core of the 'advice' areas Welcome Sunbeam Hi Pabs from us all Are we going to leap frog back over Ciao Corin? Hi guys and to add new functions to allow the community more areas to opinionate in sounds good - such as? *** Joins: Hulahoop One thing we have found by leading the way with the community functions is that Hi Hula, welcome lord this place is popular tonight!!! thanks..sorry i'm so late! is it over? whats going on? a party or summink? no shhhh :) the action of opinionating is just as fun and valid on sublects hewo sueeeeee that are product / service related and more 'serious' * Hulahoop is knitting still and has some lovely pink stripes so we are responding to the needs of a community growing very fast whats all this whispering thing about? * JaguarMLS reminds hulahoop to sit down and knit at the back of the room and the enclosed space that it has to operate in currently * Logging #Opinionated to '#opinionated_20001121.log' and the enclosed space that it has to operate in currently - we are re-defining the model that our frinds try to emulate sorry : ) having smoke One thing that is constantly of concern to us all is policing it all Are we ever going to see useful guidelines on using the site? The policing is a concern to us too - but difficult to control short - term i wasn't go to ask that by providing areas for people to blow steam off we hope that will leave the serious part alone Do you mean there will be more topics available to write about - such as health for eg.? *** Quits: londonjossie (QUIT: User exited) Yes - MUCH more *** Joins: londonjossie Excellent! We generally all seem to reach a concensus thet clearer guidelines, would help people to realize what is expected Sounds like a welcome addition definitely very welcome True - but when there is cash involved the stakes rise and many people don't much care for rules it is a shame but only a minor irritation Hi sunny! A Clearer site But the rest of us still feel that guidlines would be useful ditto Nec Yes I agree Nec me too We sometimes feel that they have to rather 'search' to find some of the rules, could they not be made a little more notable and user friendly? and me As it seems more than a minor irritation to many. Guidelines - done deal then Me too :) thank you me too thank you great stuff good :) I hope someone is minuting this.... What I will do is get the guidelines together - post them and get your feedback Sunbeam - maybe we can chat in here after the main chat is over? yeh im logging all this I am logging the chat excellent but guideliones in plain english So do i jags..seeing as i'm late :) *** Joins: smurfsabit # Appears as ARMANDO. sure whitehorse great stuff Corin nice turnout - hi to all new arrivals! Are there any plans to increase the speed and reliability of the DooYoo site? *** smurfsabit is now known as smurfalot sorry colour change Hi Smurf, take a seat at the back and make yourself at home can I ask a question? We hope that you all will get ADSL lines ; ) there are no seats left jags lol Have adsl! Go on then Andy! ADSL - like I know what that means ??! lucky... We will if we earn enough miles :) could Corin and London Jossie identify themselves as Dooyoo staff in signatures when they post - for the benefit of new members who don't know them? Good idea. Our Back end is pretty slow from time to time - we are always working on it to improve . . . . . time and new tech always help! yes I like that Idea too apologies TIP TIP? Use TKs klik to fit - it rocks and can we have links to their Dooyoo opinions? lol I'd like to ask a question if possible please feel free to post a HTML sig file with each post Corin and team k Go ahead Donna I don't know if its already been asked but could we be notified by email when a CoF updates an opinion please? where are the sausage rolls donna? *** Joins: BH lol (I have to be serious apparently cookie or i would have said they are over there!) Let me just stop there with the small q's - I love all of them and have a bible on my desk . . . sorry all of these reqs are very valuable but we have so much to do, they will come in time OK, HELLO EVERYONE Welcome from us all BH *** Parts: smurfalot Like the search function - it happened in about 2 weeks . . but the deluge will just take time and prioritisation of our development is tough!!! for those who don't know BH has the dooyoo name BOUNTY_HUNTER but its been registered by someone I would love to do it all toninght! onward and upward eh corin? Intro: I am also dooyoo staff. thats it! Pabs is our new biz and Marketing director hi Pabs sorry hi oops New? Promotion Pabs? :) Next Question? lol Were does customive our profile page appear in the prioritization? nick is also here i think, speak up nick Were does customizing our profile page appear in the prioritization? *** Joins: smurfalot (dooyoo@=2coav88-qdo3.screaming.net) Hiya smurfalot, always a pleasure to see you again. yo peeps smurf Sorry to say a little way off but we have some more pressing devs to do to let our trusted become more involved with dooyoo Yeah...moving up!!! Like . . . . please tell us more Corin New community roles and responsibilities I have a question if that's okay hold a moment Whitehorse K go on Corin See, this is a community and there is only so much we can do to guide thousands of people and growing that sounds like an excellent idea so far we need to allow members take more responsibility shut up you because that is the only way we will grow. sounds a good idea How do you envisage that? sound business sense ;-) We need to take a well judged risk . . . . it is a tough task to achieve no i told you to shut up when we have to keep this business alive but it went blue * JaguarMLS shuts up and hides in the corner lol a balancing act of responsibility to our users, to our investors and staff him and most importantly to all of our futures with this service because we all love Dooyoo * sunbeam wonders why she bothered coming if her questions aren't worthwhile answering (sorry had to be said) How can you empower the users more safely? oooh poor sunny We'd all worry about creating new opportunities for abuse Levels of authority and access to much more powerful tools for them to use and shape our environment ooooooooh for example Is Dooyoo planning to become a portal site like About.com - where we can have our own specialist pages? I'm confused now! i always am so am I tools to help identify cartels and to suppress bad usership - like multiple accounts and rating abuse ditto but nothing new there! so we (the dooyoo-er) become more responsible for our how the site succeeds? hey Tasha!! *** Joins: Caro [20:19] *** TheKnight sets mode: +m Whitehorse - we'll see - whatever is best for us all I have now switched the room to moderated mode *** Quits: pabs (QUIT: User exited) In that case Corin, all the more important to post clear guidelines. True *** Joins: pabs for users to ask questions of the team, please pass them through Jill, Myk, Andy and Necropolis are you noting all of this knight to post later? to speak to an individual user, just double-click their name on the list on the left yes Smurf If you are in MS Chat right click a name and select whisper good we may understand it a bit better then Would you like a bit more about extending the community responsibiliy? Ok, sorry everyone, brb, child calling Yes please Corin. Yes says Sue Yes, how is that likely to affect us as individual users? Yes please Corin then we have some other questions OK. This is the way I see things - briefly. Responsibility is the one thing that the expansion of the net is going to have to accept if it is going to work Porn, violence, etc all has its place but by request rather than by putting it in the way of our kids etc . . Look at how China are trying to suffocate free speech the utopia for us is that we can let control drift into those who accept the responsibility Er, can we maybe make it more specific to dooyoo? :) getting there! You prefer to make that community responsibility? back sorry! *** Joins: Coral We all suffer for the abuse - so how to stop it? Dooyoo police? or by democracy . . . . . . Nuff said *** Joins: AlksSister *** Quits: AlksSister (QUIT: User exited) How will you guard this against abuse, before we move on? In the short term? In any term. Difficult because the idea that we are open to anyone what about organised help from dedicated members? are we allowed to ask difficult questions? Its just adding new controls could mean some bad users getting more power couldn't it? to leave his/her pennysworth means that we cannot draw too many lines . . . . Andy - that is the way we are looking to promote yes we like the open-ness thanks difficult - fine by me Could you explain the promotion at all? so people who are good at writing opinions in specific topics will be given more responsibility Promotion? OK - being slow Andy - that is the way we are looking to promote ok...why have the more obvious abusers, such as the ones who write nasty emails to other members, not been removed?? Hi everyone! seeing as you asked so nicely Myk... sorted corin - would that not come across as elitist rather than democratic? Yes, we will be releasing tools to promote trusted members / gurus to shape the community there will be all sorts of community functions that these people will control - forums for example or having rating tools that will have a proportionally massive effect on certain opinions when used That is what they do at epinions is it not? *** Joins: assethound I've been asked if you could be more concise. People are finding the answers vague in places Scotgirl - this is where responsibility comes in and that lies with the people who have proven themselves to be objective and fair fair very E-pinions do it to a certain extent but not to our intended level Personally I think "proportionally massive" rating powers is rather worrying. All people have off days etc. It is certainly not democratic. Corin is referring to some members ratings carrying more weight than others people I've been asked if you could give an example to illustrate yes fine corin - great idea - but it may create a sense of 'them and us' And also when is this likely to start? Can you ask, how would the decisions on who gets these new tools be made, by comitee? Democracy involves giving people powers Jill im off but ill be back for a chat next week bye well, there is still a long way to go before I can get more precise - these are still notions and there is much to be done before it becomes reality bye JOS, thanks *** Quits: londonjossie (QUIT: User exited) Andy - spot on . . . the power need not be visible . . . . . and sometimes them and us works . . Have we another Topic? I think BH had a question someone has to take control from time to time Sorry Corin, not everyone was clear what you were meaning. like the lovely emma - how we miss her! Is she still due to return Corin? *** Quits: Cookie36 (Connection reset by peer) Sorry but must go - back next week Well, we hope so but she has to do her fiinal year BH asks: the dooyoo website has become very slow recently, what plans doo dooyoo have to upgrade? bye Nick, thanks for coming Can I kiss him now then? Sorry! *** Joins: Cookie36 *** Quits: nick (QUIT: User exited) *** Quits: Caro (Connection reset by peer) The speed is being worked on - again - the K2F on this site is never slow! - it uses a different server He feels this fault prevents some potential new talent from writing We can't see crowned opinions on the klik2fit sites tho Corin and the advanced search doesn't work either It is true - but we are still only 6 months old and paying a million euros for a new server is out of the question for the time being The site isn't always slow! *** Joins: Caro Thanks, that helps us put it into context :) .«<@>». Welcome back .«<@>». Caro .«<@>». nice touch! He is merely a show off. *** Joins: jp good stuff! Welcome JP another topic? Hi JP i would prefer to see what peeps are asking I would like to say that the suggestions & concerns section is working very well and some questions may be more appropriate to post there Evening all Corin will DooYoo continue to pay for opinions / reads in the future as the membership grows? BTW 1m Euros is about £595,000 (I think) maybe that is because we are not sure what is being said Paying for opinions will continue for the foreseeable future Thanks, Next Q? and reads? the more PIs and members we get the more potential we have to earn same with reads PIs equals Page Impressions BTW everyone so the payments *may* be discontinued in the future? And crowns are not going to go away (although I am the only to want that)? *** Joins: yesidoo1 Hi lisa No, there will always be payment - if we are vast though the reads will go throught the roof and so even if we drop, pond for pound a good op will earn you more Many are asking will the Premier Opinions idea be extended? Crowns are here to stay and have been raised to 1000 miles Yes is the answer - but not yet Many are saying they dislike the page for Premier Opinions. Me too, it is ugly! we are trying to get a better system devised They feel it should be more prominent too. Also searchable. When the new community area arrives, we are going to be able to have many more functions to do this sort of thing BH has a few more questions, starting with: doo yoo plan to get any new sponsors? I am trying to kick Jon to make it at least filterable by name, cat etc . . . . but this is actually quite a tough one to get past him - - he likes other stuff like getting the speed better New sponsors in what context? I can see both sides, speed is good provided it gets us where we want faster .. :) While I ask about context here's the second questions... doo yoo plan to get to create a search engine which anyone can use (like ask jeeves but based on users opinions) yep . . . we have a very complex back end that will continue to work when we are enormous . . . . scalability takes a load more skill than pace in the short term! Re: new sponsors BH adds: ie who you get your money from, or adverts marketing Sponsors - 1 sec Finally from BH: do you plan to get listed on teachnology exchange? The search engine we have just upgraded to is capable of that but needs expert configuration . . . . that again will FOR SURE come in time cool Sponsors - we have grade A advertisers and no sponsors - we have no affiliatinons with companies to go unique with them . . . we are no-ones puppet and the companies are queueing up to advertise with us - the community is bvery respected *** Quits: millwall23 (Connection reset by peer) Getting listed publicly?? NEC? I think so. I'll check BH says: yes, for internet e-commerce companies Not quite with you . . . are you asking if we plan to take dooyoo public? Do you mean getting Dooyoo listed in particular places BH? Yes. like search engines and directories? Good question Publically listed, BH was just wondering If so, yes that is happening Hang on If someone searches on a normal search engine - can they find our opinions? And thank you to BH for having questions to ask! The idea of why we set up dooyoo was to do what we are doing - something valuable and uniquely useful To take dooyoo where we want to take it as quickly as we want to may necessitate it but only for that reason - for the time bieng our investors love us and we perform very well A lot of companies have probs at the mo - many of our friends indeed it is sad to see the climate as it is, but it is necessasry to free up the cashinvested badly to see the good'uns prosper ; ) We're going to wrap this up in a few moments and open the room for general chat again. So any last questions should now be passed to the moderators to pass on to the room I'd like to thank everyone for their patience and participation, and especially to thank Corin and the team for coming in tonight I have one last question...are they staying for the buffet because i need to get it ready...demands are filtering through...lol..dare you to ask Always a pleasure - can we do this again? Everyone wants to know why Necropolis, and only Necropolis, doesn't get double miles for everything? 8- ) And no one ever ask me to type that feverishly again! All say thanks from here. Yes, Corin, next Tuesday good for you? why? hang on next wednesday? Zebra says thanks and bye Wednesday is fine for me Me too. *** TheKnight sets mode: -m cool . . . . . . . I'll try to type faster next time! Room is now open to all chat RUN AWAYYY! WELL THANKYOU am i back? YAY get a secretary Corin :) *** Quits: zebra (QUIT: User exited) * sunbeam takes gag off no thanks from me sorry lol tk never been gagged for so long sorry cookie! feel free to stay if you want Corin Please do! thanks, I will . . . Blimey, can I mention chocolate now? Oooh that's better Can I change my name? * sunbeam gets the buffet ready Thanks everyone Please do Jill :-) Jill - you and chocolate! anyone for a sausage roll? Sorry! Nah beer anyone? Please, im starving plz donna Very well behaved, it seems oh and theres sticky choccy cake to go around what is it with those sausage rolls???! if this is done again i'd rather be a pleb like the others *** JillMurphy is now known as LindtIllusions * sunbeam hands out sausage rolls oops wheres the chocolate..? damn it youre going to fast over by the window BH *** LindtIllusions is now known as LindtAllusions *** Parts: sue_ellen I'm ending the log now, it will be cleaned up and posted to the community homepages hopefully tomorrow thanks That's my current favourite. Be a pleb with us smurf *** Cookie36 is now known as RoZzeR plebs of the world unite thanks elf for you have nothing to lose but your voices Session Close: Tue Nov 21 21:01:29 2000